Movement of People- Task 4

20 03 2014

Hi Grade 9’s

You need to post a comment that adresses each of the following two questions. Your comment needs to be a paragragh (approx. 100 words) for each question.

1. What was the short term and long term impact of the arrival of convicts in Hobart on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples of the region?

2. What short term and long term changes were there in the way of life for the convicts who moved to Australia in this period?

Good Luck,

:) Ms C


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20 responses to “Movement of People- Task 4”

    20 03 2014
      gld2015josh (12:25:54) :     Reply

    Thanks for heads up i’ll get those question anwsered

    24 03 2014
      gld2015buffy (12:49:08) :     Reply

    What was the short term and long term impact of the arrival of convicts in Hobart on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples of the region?
    When the first fleet came the aboriginals thought, that white people were the ghosts of their ancestors. The aboriginals were prepared to deal with them peacefully, as long as they both stayed out of each other’s way. Then cultural misunderstandings occurred, for example a man was greeting an aboriginal. The white man put his hand out to shake his hand; the aboriginal didn’t know what it meant and thought it was a sign of aggression. So the aboriginal speared him in the shoulder. When Australia and Tasmania weren’t discovered there were around 500,000 aboriginals, now there are around 270,000, which shows that colonisation decreased the amount of aboriginal people. If aboriginal took livestock they were often hunted down and killed which also decreased the amount of aboriginal people. Aboriginal people were faced with diseases they could not fight with their bush medicine, many also died from the small pox breakout. Because of the arrival of the British their was a disruption to aboriginal culture and much of their history was lost. Many of the aboriginals who survived starvation were forced into virtual slavery; they were treated differently because of their race. In the long term diseases like diabetes continue to wipe out huge numbers of aboriginals. While the introduction of alcohol caused serious long term issues because prior to colonisation Aboriginals had no exposure or immunity to it.

    What short term and long term changes were there in the way of life for the convicts who moved to Australia in this period?
    They were imprisoned and their punishments were harsh for stealing a piece of bread, handkerchief etc. They were flogged for the stupidest things. They were free but as a convict they had to follow the rules of someone else and if they didn’t comply with those rules they were physically and psychologically punished. The long term effects that could result were losing hope of getting out. Their transportation probably resulted in permanent removal to Australia not just the 7 years of their sentence. Nightmares would be a result of physical beating, even trying to escape and facing near death for it. Depression, missing your family so much and feeling worse about yourself because it’s your fault you are in there. Getting so many diseases from the environment of the prisons and having no way to fight it since your probably starving and don’t have the nutrients your body needs to fight them would also be some of the short and long term impacts.

    3 04 2014
      gld2015jemma (13:26:26) :     Reply

    What was the short term and long term impact of the arrival of convicts in Hobart on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples of the region?

    The First Fleet had an extensive and lasting impact on the Aborigines. One of the many reasons as to why this occurred was because of a misunderstanding that resulted in warfare between the white people and the aboriginals; this misunderstanding arose because at first the aborigines looked upon the strange white people as ghosts of their own ancestors and in believing this, they were prepared to deal with them peacefully on condition that the two groups of people stayed away from one another. The real problems started when cultural miscalculations occurred. In one example, Captain Arthur Phillip pursued to meet with an aboriginal tribesman and when meeting the tribesman, he held out his hand in welcome, to shake hands politely. The aboriginal tribesman didn’t understand the cultural context; the aborigine believed it was an act of violence, and speared him in the shoulder. The aborigines had no concept of ownership, and they did not see why the white people couldn’t share the land, and they also didn’t understand why they were not permitted to spear and kill the livestock of the white settlers for their own food.

    The arrival of the First Fleet forced aborigines off their land and also brought the introduction of diseases to which the aborigines had no immunity. The white settlers also brought foods that were harmful to the aboriginals. The First Fleet introduced many new animal and plant species, which eventually led to the extinction or near-extinction of many other native animals and plants. Shortly after the invasion, the Europeans interfered with the aboriginal way of life to the point where they took the aboriginal children away from their families and kept them as their own children.

    3 04 2014
      gld2015jemma (13:27:04) :     Reply

    What short term and long term changes were there in the way of life for the convicts who moved to Australia in this period?

    They were imprisoned and their punishments were severe for the theft of small items such as a piece of bread, handkerchiefs, day-to-day survival objects etc. They weren’t free, as a convict they had to follow the rules of someone else and if they didn’t obey those rules they were physically and psychologically disciplined. The long term effects that could result were: losing hope of escaping as well as the torture they had to experience on a regular basis. Nightmares would be a result of physical pain, even trying to escape and facing near death for it. Convicts also got diseases from the physical environment of the prisons as well as the living conditions in the period, they had no way to cure it and they didn’t have the nutrients their body needed to fight the sicknesses.

    14 04 2014
      gld2015rachael (11:41:00) :     Reply

    What was the short term and long term impact of the arrival of convicts in Hobart on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples of the region?

    For 60 thousand years the aboriginal people had lived in Australia undisturbed by white men before the arrival of the first fleet. In January 1788 the first fleet arrived in Botany Bay. The arrival of the convicts for the aboriginals was catastrophic. More than 20 thousand aboriginals and between 2000 and 2500 Europeans were killed in conflicts between aboriginals and convicts. Australian racism gradually spread up through society towards the aboriginal people and originated from the conflicts. This marked the beginning of a painful and bitter battle of aboriginal culture for the survival which has raged for more than 200 years.

    What short term and long term changes were there in the way of life for the convicts who moved to Australia in this period?

    The life for a convict was neither easy nor pleasant. After formally being handed over to the charge of the governor, they were often segregated, and being sent to special areas or prisons was the most hardened criminals. The rest of them acted as servants to the settlers or carried out hard labour in gangs. Convict discipline was harsh, for those convicts who committed offences in the colony, the punishments were brutal. One of the punishments was the cat o’nine tails which was fifty lashes, it was a common punishment. Another was time on the chain gangs where they were shackled in ankle irons or chains, weighing ten pounds or more (4.5kilogram).

      17 05 2014
        Ms Clark (19:29:15) :     Reply

      Some good information Rachael, remember that some convicts also had skills which meant they were valuable to the developing colonies and as a result their lives were substantially different (for example Francis Greenway and Mary Reibey). You also needed to address the long term changes in the way of life for the convicts.
      Cheers
      Ms C

    5 05 2014
      annabelle (12:03:49) :     Reply

    What was the short term and long term impact of the arrival of convicts in Hobart on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples of the region?

    When Australia and Tasmania weren’t discovered there were around 500,000 aboriginals, now there are around 270,000, which shows that colonisation decreased the amount of aboriginal people. If aboriginal took livestock they were often hunted down and killed which also decreased the amount of aboriginal people. Aboriginal people were faced with diseases they could not fight with their bush medicine, many also died from the small pox breakout. Because of the arrival of the British their was a disruption to aboriginal culture and much of their history was lost. Many of the aboriginals who survived starvation were forced into virtual slavery; they were treated differently because of their race. In the long term diseases like diabetes continue to wipe out huge numbers of aboriginals. While the introduction of alcohol caused serious long term issues because prior to colonisation Aboriginals had no exposure or immunity to it.

    What short term and long term changes were there in the way of life for the convicts who moved to Australia in this period?

    They were flogged for the stupidest things. They were free but as a convict they had to follow the rules of someone else and if they didn’t comply with those rules they were physically and psychologically punished. The long term effects that could result were losing hope of getting out. Their transportation probably resulted in permanent removal to Australia not just the 7 years of their sentence. Nightmares would be a result of physical beating, even trying to escape and facing near death for it. Depression, missing your family so much and feeling worse about yourself because it’s your fault you are in there. Getting so many diseases from the environment of the prisons and having no way to fight it since your probably starving and don’t have the nutrients your body needs to fight them would also be some of the short and long term impacts.

      17 05 2014
        Ms Clark (19:19:42) :     Reply

      Some excellent points Annabelle.
      You mention, “survived starvation” in relation to Aboriginals at the time of colonization. Can you please identify your source for this information, my understanding is that although the first British settlers and convicts experienced issues in relation to food shortages the Indigenous population was largely immune to these problems due to their knowledge of local flora and fauna.
      You also talk about Aboriginals having no “immunity to it.” (being alcohol) while I understand the point you are making choose your words carefully as immunity relates to how susceptible someone is to a disease.
      You also talk about a convict saying, “They were free” actually they were convicted criminals and their freedom once they were convicted was taken from them.
      Cheers
      Ms C

    5 05 2014
      gld2015kanisha (12:13:34) :     Reply

    What short and long term changes were there in the way of life for the convicts who moved to Australia in this period?

    The convicts were imprisoned in penal colonies such as Port Arthur and punished harshly for stealing little things like a square rag. They were forced into the rules of someone else even though they were free and punished if they disobeyed, with the common punishment being solitary confinement or flogging. Transportation often resulted in permanent residence in Australia – which was longer than the sentence they were given in England. Some of the convict suffered physiologically, with things like depression and anxiety, and most of them caught diseases and starved.

      17 05 2014
        Ms Clark (18:55:09) :     Reply

      Hi Kanisha,
      Some good information but also some errors are evident.
      You have commented that, “They were forced into the rules of someone else even though they were free…”
      Convicts were considered criminals, despite the minor nature of their offence, as such they are not free.
      You also mentioned that, “most of them caught diseases and starved.”
      In actual fact the survival rate of convicts in the colonies was much higher than the comparative survival rate in Britain at the same time for people from the same socio-economic group.
      Cheers
      Ms C

    5 05 2014
      gld2015kanisha (12:14:02) :     Reply

    What was the short and long term impacts of the arrival of convicts in Hobart on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people of the region?

    The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders were not sure what to think when the convicts arrived, but agreed to have peace, but an incident lead to conflict between the two communities. The population of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander declined rapidly. They were faced with introduced diseases, in which case many of them could not cope with, and those who survived starvation (which occurred during the first years of convict arrival due to soil problems and the failed arrivals of ships from England) were left to face these diseases, wiping out even more of the population.

      17 05 2014
        Ms Clark (19:00:07) :     Reply

      Hi Kanisha,
      Some good information, to improve your mark you needed to detail the incident that lead to conflict. In addition talking about the incorrect assumption of Terra Nullius in relation to the colonization of Australia would demonstrate a deeper level of understanding.
      You mention that, “those who survived starvation (which occurred during the first years of convict arrival due to soil problems and the failed arrivals of ships from England)…” this was an influencing factor on the experience of the settlers but really wasn’t relevant to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders as they had localized knowledge of the flora and fauna which protected them from starvation provided they had access to their traditional lands.
      Cheers
      Ms C

    22 05 2014
      gld2015luke (12:36:42) :     Reply

    What was the short term and long term impact of the arrival of convicts in Hobart on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples of the region?

    The First Fleet had a widespread and lasting impact on the Aborigines. The first of these was the mistakes that resulted in hostilities between the whites and the Aborigines. At first the Aborigines observed the strange white men in large ships as ghosts, possibly ghosts of their own ancestors. They were prepared to deal with them peacefully. As long as the two groups of people stayed out of each other’s way, there was no conflict. The real complications started when cultural mistakes occurred. In one example, Captain Arthur Phillip sought to meet with an aboriginal tribesman on the beach.

      2 06 2014
        Ms Clark (12:54:44) :     Reply

      What were the long term effects?

    22 05 2014
      gld2015luke (12:38:12) :     Reply

    What short term and long term changes were there in the way of life for the convicts who moved to Australia in this period?

    Between 1788 and 1868 165,000 British and Irish convicts made the difficult journey to an unknown land we now call Australia. The majority of the 165,000 convicts transported to Australia were poor and illiterate, victims of the Poor Laws and social conditions in Georgian England. Eight out of ten prisoners were convicted for larceny of some description.

      2 06 2014
        Ms Clark (12:53:49) :     Reply

      Luke this gives me some factual information around transportation but it doesn’t cover what the short and long term effects are.

    23 05 2014
      gld2015josh (09:51:24) :     Reply

    O.K here is the awnser for the short term and long term impact of the arrival of convicts in Hobart on the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples of the region

    After the whites came in the aboriginals were puzzled, the white folk also had dropped off hypes of their own stuff such as un-native animals, convicts, white’s traditional foods and free settlers. White people didn’t really give a dam and made it their own land, straight away they became enemies. Aboriginals tried to fight back but their weapons are useless, the whites had guns that the aboriginals called fire sick. A lot of them had been eliminated, at a low population that had no choice but hid themselves away. (Short term affect)
    The whites made farms, cities and jails for the whites to live in, making it more difficult for the aboriginals to live their normal traditional life. When the whites see them they shoot them to scare them off. Every day they have to move because the whites are always near for building and constructions. The poor aboriginals had became emotionally ruined by the whites, most of them had nothing left to lose. (Long term affect)

      2 06 2014
        Ms Clark (12:51:03) :     Reply

      Make sure you check your spelling and grammar before you post your comment. The long term impact for indigenous people relates to the impact on their traditional lifestyle, their culture and customs.

    23 05 2014
      gld2015josh (10:20:11) :     Reply

    Short term and long term changes were there in the way of life for the convicts who moved to Australia in this period.
    When the convicts were sentence they were full of regret they would say to themselves, “what in the hell I was thinking.” But they would feel much more depressed as they got on the boat they knew they were in for a long sail. What was going through their heads while in a cage, inside the worst boat they ever been on, they were emotionally broken. (Short term affect)
    After a long time on the boat half way around the world they would never think that they’ll never be free again. In a place they don’t know, the convicts was beyond depression, far away from their families or some of their families are in jail. There’s no going back for them, for some spent a short time in prison and others they suffered most of their life there. (Long term affect)

      2 06 2014
        Ms Clark (12:47:35) :     Reply

      Some valid points Josh but try to keep your information factual rather than getting caught up in the drama of the occasion.

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